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Subject: Remember that are brother/sisters at Wiki are shutting down...
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AmtrakQuebec Jan 17, 2012 06:46 PM Reply | Bookmark
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for 24hours to protest the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) in the U.S. House of Representatives, and the PROTECT IP Act (PIPA) in the U.S. Senate – that, if passed, would seriously damage the free and open Internet, including Wikipedia.

Remember, this American bullcrapola could seriously affect the ability of people to freely surf the web and have access to information so don't whine about it being down and support our comrades in whatever way you can.

We don't want to have no access, like China!!!!

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/English_Wikipedia_anti-SOPA_blackout

EDIT: Link fail


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Topic URL: http://forums.ncix.com/forums/topic.php?id=2464363

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Coach_Z Jan 17, 2012 06:49 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (AmtrakQuebec @ Jan 17 2012, 06:46 PM)

We don't want to have no access, like China!!!!


Agreed, and yet it seems as they are the template for the inevitable.

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Analbumcover Jan 17, 2012 06:51 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Do people realize the intent of SOPA and PIPA is to blackout/shut down the internet and that this Wikipedia blackout is not really a protest but more of a trial run for the intent of SOPA and PIPA?
And think of all those college kids who can't get an education for 1 WHOLE DAY! They might have to go to class.

"If you like Pina Coladas, and getting caught in the rain.
If you're not into yoga, if you have half-a-brain.
If you like making love at midnight, in the dunes of the cape.
I'm the lady you've looked for, write to me, and escape."

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AmtrakQuebec Jan 17, 2012 07:08 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Ok, I see we have the usual off-the-wall comment from ABC

Anywho, sorry for the grammatical error in the title... "are" versus "our"

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Geeky Jan 17, 2012 07:11 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (Analbumcover @ Jan 17 2012, 06:51 PM)

this Wikipedia blackout is not really a protest but more of a trial run for the intent of SOPA and PIPA

A "trial run" could be just the ticket to raise awareness for those that are obivious. Folks that are peeved by the outage might get involved in the protest.

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Helepolis Jan 17, 2012 07:18 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Apparently there are a number of sites participating, such as Reddit.

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GoodSMile. Jan 17, 2012 07:20 PM Reply | Bookmark
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The US is becoming more and more like China and China is becoming more and more like the US.

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AmtrakQuebec Jan 17, 2012 07:23 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Exactly Geeky! Only one way to make the kids sit up and take notice... take away their brain candy  

EDIT: How will they every settle an argument now???

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Cheakamus Jan 17, 2012 07:34 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (Analbumcover @ Jan 17 2012, 06:51 PM)

Analbumcover said:
Do people realize the intent of SOPA and PIPA is to blackout/shut down the internet and that this Wikipedia blackout is not really a protest but more of a trial run for the intent of SOPA and PIPA?


"Where Are SOPA and PIPA Now?
Both bills have taken a hit in the last week, as their authors have decided to remove the provisions that require Internet service providers to block the domain names of infringing sites."

http://www.pcworld.com/article/248298/sopa_and_pipa_just_the_facts.html

some updates...

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Marc_E Jan 17, 2012 07:51 PM Reply | Bookmark
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http://www.michaelgeist.ca/tags/sopa
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Westcoast Jan 17, 2012 09:10 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I support SOPA and PIPA. Copyright infringement is out of control. If your a big website in the United States with tons of infringement then you're going to court and your site may or may not be shut down. I don't have a problem with that. People might actually have to create  their own original content instead of riding the coattails of other peoples work. Block Piratebay and Megaupload so that infringement isn't taking place, put heuristics on uploads to check for infringements and throw the book at them. The internet is so new and the movie industry is so old, that it's up to the internet to adapt to the movie industries archaic way of distributing their goods and not the other way around. Why, it's not affordable home theaters that are to blame. Skyrim sold 1 million copies, 4.5 million were downloaded, just think of how many people would not have downloaded the game if it weren't so easily accessible and then would pay the $60 they don't have to play the game. It's not like they should have wised up and gone the Steam route and forced you to log on to play. I want to go back to $25 a CD for 3 good songs ... CRT TV's and reel to reel theaters. Don't let industries adapt, make the internet adapt. It's not like people were ever putting tape over their cassettes to record Z95.3 songs, or buying double tray VCR's. MP3 car stereo's were never blatantly advertised in big box flyers.

Out with the new, in with the old.

NDAA, Can't wait for the Americans to start disappearing into the Vapor that is Guantonamo.

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Skeena guy Jan 17, 2012 09:20 PM Reply | Bookmark
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http://i.imgur.com/kX46W.png

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DeViLzzz Jan 17, 2012 09:22 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I agree with Westcoast on some of what he said. There is no room for copyright infringement and downloading games without repercussions on the net is ridiculous. Stop the stealing. People who preach all this free will and the right to this and that are hiding behind laws to just suit a position that is morally wrong.

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MrAtheist Jan 17, 2012 09:24 PM Reply | Bookmark
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FYI you can still access all the 'blacked out' pages simply by pressing the stop button when you see the normal wiki page (dont let the page load completely)

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derek_w Jan 17, 2012 09:54 PM Reply | Bookmark
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These people hiding behind "freedom of exchange" and other excuses for piracy and infringement are simply trying to justify their crimes.

If you like it and use it, then buy it.

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Herrmoo Jan 17, 2012 09:55 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (DeViLzzz @ Jan 17 2012, 09:22 PM)

I agree with Westcoast on some of what he said. There is no room for copyright infringement and downloading games without repercussions on the net is ridiculous. Stop the stealing. People who preach all this free will and the right to this and that are hiding behind laws to just suit a position that is morally wrong.


Why am I surprised that Devilz can't read through sarcasm. Sure aren't the brightest bulb...

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Somebody69 Jan 17, 2012 10:06 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Found a trick to still access Wikipedia:

Stop the page loading before it's completely finished (hit ESC or the stop button). The blackout overlay is applied after the page has finished. If you're fast enough, you'll load all of the content, but not the script that blacks out the page. Use Google or whatever to find articles.


This doesn't mean I don't support Wikipedia's efforts, but it's inconvenient without Wikipedia.

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quant(a) Jan 17, 2012 11:15 PM Reply | Bookmark
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i still got chinese wiki..but there's so much less articles... =[

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[Van_Isl] Totoro Jan 18, 2012 12:08 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Or just deactivate javascript.....

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Nicholas_W Jan 18, 2012 12:33 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: ([Van_Isl] Totoro @ Jan 18 2012, 12:08 AM)

Or just deactivate javascript.....


or press stop before the page finishes loading.

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Analbumcover Jan 18, 2012 04:41 AM Reply | Bookmark
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"Imagine a World Without Free Knowledge" -Wikipedia

I thought all the capitalists on NCIX would support SOPA and PIPA. After all, these totalitarian measures are only to enforce copyright/intellectual property. Why generate intellectual property if I have to share it with everyone for the benefit of society right? "Free Knoweldge"? Why that's just socialism! That's like having a free education!

How do you live with such contradictions? Either you think physical property is of greater importance than intellectual property which is not very principled or you're all for taking property so long as it is not your own.

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Hotshot Jan 18, 2012 07:54 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Games: The good ones with non-crazy DRM deverse money.

music: Per-per-song is legit, but paying 25$ for a CD is ridiculous.

Movies: Too much DRM, no need to pay for this.

TV: Too much DRM, no need to pay for this.

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AmtrakQuebec Jan 18, 2012 08:37 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Westcoast... smell that? I love the smell of sarcasmn i the morning.

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roach9 Jan 18, 2012 08:38 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I still have access to Wikipedia... I adblocked that top advertisement about a year ago and it's doing the trick.

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Roundabout Jan 18, 2012 08:43 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (DeViLzzz u Jan 17 2012, 09:22 PM)

I agree with Westcoast on some of what he said. There is no room for copyright infringement and downloading games without repercussions on the net is ridiculous. Stop the stealing. People who preach all this free will and the right to this and that are hiding behind laws to just suit a position that is morally wrong.


This coming from a guy who openly pirates windows. You think you'll be exempt because to you windows "isn't worth the money." You are a hypocrit of your own statement.

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Dead Things Jan 18, 2012 09:03 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (AmtrakQuebec @ Jan 17 2012, 06:46 PM)

our comrades

Unfortunate choice of words considering it's the "communist-esque" nature of the Internet that U.S. lawmakers find so objectionable.

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Lord Emperor Jan 18, 2012 10:04 AM Reply | Bookmark
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This image was deleted by TKSS @01/18/2012

Pic uploaded to clarify a few things.

SOPA and PIPA touch on all sorts of things and are a serious concern for censorship and fair use.

Take one of the best pages on the internet: http://ocremix.org/

The artists there are engaged in perfectly legal creative expression, but who could face serious ramifications based on an accusation of infringement without due process.

It's too bad we can't directly influence the US government, but we should stand against any similar legislation which appears in Canada.

Subscribe to http://openmedia.ca/ and write your MP about any legislation which effects your freedom.

Remember your freedom is worth more than corporate profits.

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AmtrakQuebec Jan 18, 2012 11:57 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Nice pic Lord Emperor. Here is another nice pictoral representation of what is transpiring here, in a humorous but salient way:

http://theoatmeal.com/sopa

Classic!

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Xaios Jan 18, 2012 12:14 PM Reply | Bookmark
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The biggest problem with internet piracy is that people who engage in it believe that intellectual property has no intrinsic value. If you steal a chocolate bar, you've deprived the store owner of the ability to make a profit by selling that chocolate bar. Conversely, "file sharers" would have you believe that they haven't actually stolen anything by copying the metaphorical chocolate bar and giving it because the store owner retains ownership of the original. Alas, the end result is still the same because, by giving away the chocolate bar, they've deprived the actual owner of their ability to profit from its sale because, if it's available for free, who is going to pay for it?

From a personal standpoint (as a musician), the sharing of music and movies is the most greivous part. I might play music because I love music, but if I record an album, it's because I want to be able to sell that music and make money doing something I enjoy. Pirating my music means I can't do that, so why make the album in the first place? I'll warrant that some of my favorite artists actually do give away their music voluntarily, but that's their prerogative. If I don't want to give away my music, I shouldn't be forced to endure someone giving away on my behalf and I should have some recourse to either stop them from doing it entirely or get my money out of them.

Having said all that, I still disagree with both SOPA and PIPA. They put the cart way before the horse and basically say "guilty until proven innocent." I agree with the spirit in which they were made, but their wording is far too broad.

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Dante_ Xaiver™ Jan 18, 2012 12:21 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Its funny you say you are musician who loves to make music and expects to make money from it , when infact there are many musicians who support people sharing their music. these people make music out of the love for the art and do not see compensation s a driving factor . In order order to be compensated for your work make sure its something people will enjoy and then see what people are willing to give.

the more people who share a musicians work , the greater the chance the musician will profit from it . Many big names have come out in support of people who share their works and are happy their product gets known .

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