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coachmcguirk Oct 11, 2017 08:52 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I was visiting family here a couple years ago (I'm from California) and at that time my brother said plans ranged anywhere from $80+ and up if you bought a premium smartphone. Fast forward to now, I moved here because of school. Now it seems the baseline is $95? Even worse, if you buy an unlocked phone it's still $70 for the baseline plans? I was paying $40/m for 1GB data and unlimited talk/text prior to moving here.

I don't understand. The infrastructure (cell towers) have been in place for decades. So wtf is the deal? Are they going to continue to gouge the consumers by increasing rates every year now for the foreseeable future?

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Corey_J6 Oct 11, 2017 08:59 AM Reply | Bookmark
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monopoly

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coachmcguirk Oct 11, 2017 09:03 AM Reply | Bookmark
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And they get away with this how, exactly? Forgive my ignorance as I'm not 100% sure but wasn't the CRTC put in place to protect the consumer?

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Greg * NCIX.com Oct 11, 2017 09:12 AM Reply | Bookmark
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That seems a bit high in comparison to your 1GB plan.

I have 1GB of data and unlimited calling for $55 a month.

Most cell phone plans start at around $50 per month if they include data.

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coachmcguirk Oct 11, 2017 09:32 AM Reply | Bookmark
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What phone do you have and what carrier are you with, Greg? If you don't mind my asking?

Bell, Telus and Rogers all come to $70 if a phone is unlocked.

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Greg * NCIX.com Oct 11, 2017 09:38 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I'm on Fido, using an iPhone 6 (not obtained from Fido).

https://www.fido.ca/nac/#/choose-plan?id=DataTalkText

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computer_guru Oct 11, 2017 11:41 AM Reply | Bookmark
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You should take a look at Freedom Mobile. They just recently upgraded their Vancouver and Toronto areas to 4G LTE. You can get phones like the Galaxy S8 / S8+ / LG G6 / Moto Z on a $35 tab (meaning ur paying $35 a month for 2 years to pay off the phone) and than you add a $40 plan and get 4GB Data and unlimited Canada wide and unlimited NA wide text ... so it's $75 total.

You can also check out Telus / Bell / Rogers budget networks such as Mobilicity, koodoo and fido. Saving roughly $15-$20 a month.

But yes, it's the 3 big carriers holding us hostage and taking out the small players. CRTC finally just got rid of unlock fees. But I guess most of that stuff is slow going.

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Yoinkerman Oct 11, 2017 04:12 PM Reply | Bookmark
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They get away with it because there's no real competition and our government and people on the whole are okay with it.

Regional monopolies and duopolies are just fine.

Why is it that every plan is exactly the same and costs the same?

Dunno but it couldn't possibly be collusion, right?

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coachmcguirk Oct 11, 2017 04:41 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (Yoinkerman @ Oct 11 2017, 04:12 PM)

Dunno but it couldn't possibly be collusion, right?


Must be.

Thanks for the heads up, Greg. Looks like I better opt to purchase a phone upfront. That way no company can 'own me'.

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Greg * NCIX.com Oct 11, 2017 04:50 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (Yoinkerman @ Oct 11 2017, 04:12 PM)

Regional monopolies and duopolies are just fine.

Why is it that every plan is exactly the same and costs the same?

Dunno but it couldn't possibly be collusion, right?

Manitoba got to escape that cycle for a while, but now Bell bought up MTS so I wonder how much longer they'll have cheaper plans for. :(

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gabriel_m34 Oct 11, 2017 05:36 PM Reply | Bookmark
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In Quebec we seem to have cheaper plans.

With "bring your own phone" you can get a 35$/m deal for 1G, unlimited texts/calls and long distance across Canada. This is at Koodo.

SImilarly, once a 2y contract is up with Bell (balance for phone is up), you can regress to similar 36$/m for same services. Granted this might have been a loyalty deal from Bell.

Mr. G.

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Mr. Friendly™ Oct 12, 2017 07:07 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I'm on Fido too...switched from Freedom Mobile back in December when they had a 1 day promo back in December for $60 giving me 6GB data, unlimited txt and Canada calling plus 1000 minutes international calling. however, I cannot access any simple add-on's etc without loosing my whole plan. I can however, upgrade to 10GB data/m for another $15/m or $75/m.

switched me, my wife and both my parents.

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Varroa Oct 12, 2017 07:20 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Mobile Syrup is always a good place to start when shopping for a new plan:

https://mobilesyrup.com/2017/10/09/here-are-all-the-rate-plans-changes-canada/

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Doug_the_Slug Oct 12, 2017 08:25 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Wife and I are on freedom. We are on their old "4G" network which has some coverage issues. (I put 4G in quotes because our phones have said 4G for years, but since you can't have 4G without LTE, chances are it's 3G with HSPA+ with a healthy serving of marketing bullsh1t) Unfortunately our phones do not support the new LTE network (Galaxy Note 4 and 5 do not have band66), so we are stuck on the old 4G network which I'm fairly certain will never receive an upgrade at this point.

There are significant dead or weak data spots, typically as I gain elevation. For example, I have no data ("emergency calls only" mode) at my parents house.
Also, when we went traveling in the interior (osoyoos), for some reason I couldn't even connect to a roaming network. I was completely dead in the water with no signal at all. My wife was able to connect to roaming though, not sure what the difference was (galaxy note 4 for her vs 5 for me). I was able to list a number of roaming networks, but they either timed out trying to connect or actively rejected any roaming connection attempts.

From what I understand their new band66 LTE network has better coverage. It better though cause their old network has some serious gaps. Also, I cannot find any old their old Maps, so I have no idea what the actual coverage of my old "4G" device is.

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justmoe1 Oct 15, 2017 09:16 AM Reply | Bookmark
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crtc board members are all former big 3 executives. the only time they make changes that benefit consumers is when parliament orders them to.

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Draaax Oct 16, 2017 10:35 AM Reply | Bookmark
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The CRTC is made up of former telecom CEOs. They never have, and never will have, customers best interests in mind.

CRTC Staff:

CEO: Ian Scott: Formerly held executive positions at Telesat Canada, Telus and Call-Net Enterprises

Vice Chair: Christianne Laizner - Former Lawyer
Vice Chair: Dr. Caroline J. Simard former senior telecommunications specialist at the International Telecommunications Union

Commissioner: Stephen B. Simpson - served in management roles for several stations
Commissioner: Yves Dupras - worked in corporate law and acted as special counsel to companies in the Canadian communications sector.
Commissioner: Christopher MacDonald - served as a sales executive and manager with Rogers Communications Inc

Gee I wonder why the CRTC doesn't care about the customers and instead allows Canadians to be gouged by telecoms?

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Calypso Oct 16, 2017 04:27 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (Corey_J6 @ Oct 11 2017, 08:59 AM)

monopoly

...you're half right. It's a regulated monopoly. Which means the Govt gets 12%, at least here in BC. Soooo, we pay an extra 12% on an already prohibitively expensive "Essential Service". Awesome, isn't it?
I just negotiated a new monthly rate with Shaw. It's Bull. I need a faster service because I'm being "Bombarded"; "Blitzkrieged" with ads.
New malware appears daily. Ransomware etc.
Too bad the powers that be just take the money, and offer..? Nothing. Bloody Sakes.Lotsa news about the new internet, by Google, Elon Musk, etc.
All wifi. No strings attached. Low orbit satellites.

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coachmcguirk Oct 16, 2017 05:12 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (Draaax d Oct 16 2017, 10:35 AM)

The CRTC is made up of former telecom CEOs. They never have, and never will have, customers best interests in mind.

CRTC Staff:

CEO: Ian Scott: Formerly held executive positions at Telesat Canada, Telus and Call-Net Enterprises

Vice Chair: Christianne Laizner - Former Lawyer
Vice Chair: Dr. Caroline J. Simard former senior telecommunications specialist at the International Telecommunications Union

Commissioner: Stephen B. Simpson - served in management roles for several stations
Commissioner: Yves Dupras - worked in corporate law and acted as special counsel to companies in the Canadian communications sector.
Commissioner: Christopher MacDonald - served as a sales executive and manager with Rogers Communications Inc

Gee I wonder why the CRTC doesn't care about the customers and instead allows Canadians to be gouged by telecoms?



That's really slimy then. So, when is the revolution? xD

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Corey_J6 Oct 16, 2017 09:28 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (coachmcguirk c Oct 16 2017, 05:12 PM)

That's really slimy then. So, when is the revolution? xD


I mean NDP in BC is trying to cap large political donations so that's a start. You can't be surprised if a corporation gives a politician a large $ donation that the politician won't then feel the need to create/approve legislation that benefits said corporation, if they don't they may not get the same donation next time. No matter what your political views are, large $ donations to politicians is a bad thing unless you want rich individuals to have far more sway on the government than the common man, this is supposed to be a democracy not an oligarchy.

Also like Draaax said, it's "regulated" monopoly, except that it's regulated by former CEOs of the same companies they are supposed to regulate. Self regulation = no regulation.

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