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Subject: Can I build a beast gaming tower? For 2200?
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Kakarot Sep 26, 2017 10:12 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I have a decent gaming laptop I bought with an i7 960m etc but it doesn't do the trick. I have been out of computers for a long time because of tablets/xbox1 etc...

However, if I want to game with my pc buddies, what should I build? I have 2200$ but I can sell my laptop as well?! Thanks in advance.

I have no idea what is what anymore ie intel or amd, nvidia or amd 1080, 1080i...

I just want to build the best bang for buck, in my budget. Any guidance is appreciated!

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Saberon Sep 27, 2017 06:53 AM Reply | Bookmark
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In a rush at the moment but here's a general idea....new CPU/Mobos incoming soon though!

i5-7600K
Z270 Gaming m5 Msi Mobo
16GB DDR4
SSD
GTX 1070/1080
EVGA 650/750W G3 PSU

I have a $2000 build template here but I haven't updated them in a while, parts are generally up to date but prices are out of whack. Will be updating this week

http://forums.ncix.com/forums/?mode=showthread&forum=191&threadid=2700721&pagenumber=1&msgcount=3&subpage=1

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computer_guru Sep 27, 2017 08:54 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I might go Ryzen 7. 3.0ghz 8 core 16 thread processor. Can OC to about 3.9ghz. Than grab a B350 motherboard, 16gb DDR4 and pick up a GTX 1070 or 1080 and fill in the rest with whatever psu, hdd, ssd, case you like.

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Bruce_R Sep 27, 2017 02:30 PM Reply | Bookmark
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New Intel desktop cpu are supposed to launch October 5. While costing a bit more than current models, they feature 50% more cores.

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Kakarot Sep 27, 2017 03:40 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Sorry for the slow reply, I am working nights right now. So, waiting would be worthwhile? I do not really want to be overclocking or anything. I want stable, fast performance!! I want a minimum of a 1080 gtx.

I am more worried about which mobo/ram (speed) and cpu combo. I guess if new chips are out soon, I would need a new mobo as well? Currently my budget is 2200$ but I will generate a little more once my laptop and s8+ sell. So, even if I got some things now and the new processor early october? It has just been so long, I want the best bang for the buck.

Also, what is required for a great gaming monitor?

Thanks guys

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Greg * NCIX.com Sep 27, 2017 04:39 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (Kakarot @ Sep 27 2017, 03:40 PM)

Sorry for the slow reply, I am working nights right now. So, waiting would be worthwhile? I do not really want to be overclocking or anything

No harm in waiting to see how those new chips perform.

Quote: (Kakarot @ Sep 27 2017, 03:40 PM)

Also, what is required for a great gaming monitor?

That's a loaded question. There are so many options out there and personal preference plays a bit part in what makes the best monitor for you.

Fun Features:
Widescreen (your standard 16:9 screen width)
Ultra-widescreen
Curved monitors
144Hz+ refresh rates (for fast paced, high frame rate action)
G-Sync (great for NVIDIA card users)
FreeSync (great for AMD card users)
sRGB colour support (for the Photoshop enthusiast)

Resolutions:
1920x1080 (standard 1080p, runs games at high frame rates)
2560x1080 (ultra-wide)
2560x1600 (a balance between 1080p and 4k)
3440x1440 (ultra-wide display)
3840x2160 (4k ultra-HD, requires 4 times more GPU power than 1080p)

The higher resolution your monitor, the more resources you need to dedicate to GPU power. Going with a 4k monitor will require staying on the bleeding edge of video card technology as new games come out, where a 1080p monitor will give your wallet much more breathing room as your system ages.

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Kakarot Sep 27, 2017 10:09 PM Reply | Bookmark
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So can I buy a compatible motherboard already or do I have to wait for that Also?

As far as a monitor, I just want a best bang for buck option that will be future proof? I am after max settings and a good frame rate though. Keep in mind I don't mind buying a 1080 and maybe even a 1080 ti

I was hoping for actual suggestions, so I couldorder stuff lol!

Thanks again

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Bruce_R Sep 27, 2017 11:10 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (Kakarot @ Sep 27 2017, 10:09 PM)

So can I buy a compatible motherboard already or do I have to wait for that Also?


Should wait. New cpu use Z370 chipset.

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Kakarot Sep 28, 2017 01:01 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Ok. So I need to wait on the mobo and proc. Is Oct 5th the Canadian availability?

Can I purchase everything else? If So, recommend away plz

Nice roomy cool case (as in airflow)
Ssd main drive?
Memory?
DVD Rom
PSU
Anything else? Thanks all

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Saberon Sep 28, 2017 05:44 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Fractal Define S or R5
Crucial MX300
Kingston/Corsair/G.Skill DDR4-2400 1.2V
Any ol' DVD writer
EVGA G2/P2/G3 are excellent

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jakeElwood Sep 28, 2017 06:33 AM Reply | Bookmark
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CPU/Ram/MoBo is the least of your worries. They hit a bit of a ceiling in the last 7years. The next Intel i3K and i5K should be quite good though because of the pressure from AMDs Rysen. Price/Performance that is. Ultimate speed still hasnt changed much.

GPU and Monitor is what is going to make your gaming enjoyable.

A gtx1080ti on a crappy 1080p monitor is blasphemy. Way overkill and well, it looks like crap.

You can always save up for a better monitor later but why bother wasting the money now only to spend it later. Good monitor will last many years.

RAM speeds have been meaningless since you were away but mean a bit more recently again. Dont fall for the "specialty gaming" RAM though. Some MoBo just prefer certain speeds.

Greg you forgot the sweet-spot of resolutions(im sure you meant to place it first),

2560x1440 at 27". IPS, there are many to choose from. Korean models cheapest and still very good.

980ti/1070/1080/1080ti all good for that rez.


Saberon has got the rest of your goods.

edit: Hey Saberon you posted at 5:44am, Im in Japan right now, whats your excuse haha.




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Saberon Sep 28, 2017 07:54 AM Reply | Bookmark
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These PSU's are great value and performance as well

http://forums.ncix.com/search/?q=seasonic+focus


Well I'm in AB so it was 6:44AM for me

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KS-SK Sep 28, 2017 08:10 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (jakeElwood @ Sep 28 2017, 06:33 AM)

jakeElwood said:
A gtx1080ti on a crappy 1080p monitor is blasphemy. Way overkill and well, it looks like crap.

Please explain how a 1080Ti would look like crap on 1920x1080?
That is what I am running right now. All my games looks great running without slowing down.

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Bruce_R Sep 28, 2017 09:08 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (KS-SK @ Sep 28 2017, 08:10 AM)

Please explain how a 1080Ti would look like crap on 1920x1080?


The phrase used was "crappy 1080p monitor". Crappy being an important qualifier. There are very good 1080 monitors that will do an excellent job displaying output from a GTX 1080 Ti gpu. But I believe the point being made was that investing in a good monitor would be wise.

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jakeElwood Sep 28, 2017 09:23 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Exactly Bruce thanks,

KS-SK, honestly a 1080ti is overkill for 1080p though also. I do hope you have a good IPS 144hz then.

If not, it would be quite an amazing experience to see the difference.

1200$ GPU on a 250$ TN is a complete waste.

Bruce said it more nicely.


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Greg * NCIX.com Sep 28, 2017 09:30 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (jakeElwood @ Sep 28 2017, 06:33 AM)

Greg you forgot the sweet-spot of resolutions(im sure you meant to place it first),

Nah, I included it, but I screwed it up. I wrote 2560x1600 instead, which actually isn't a common size. My bad.

2560x1440 gives the GPU roughly 3.7 million pixels to render, or a bit less than double number of pixels of 1080p. As I said before, a good compromise from going up beyond 1080p, but doesn't require as much GPU power as going to full 4k.

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KS-SK Sep 28, 2017 11:31 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Have BenQ XL2720T. TN 120Hz which is fine for me.
I got 1080Ti, why cause I want to play with the most highest detail possible.
All this high horse BS that you need to have certain monitor for certain GPU is utter crap.

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Greg * NCIX.com Sep 28, 2017 11:52 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (KS-SK @ Sep 28 2017, 11:31 AM)

All this high horse BS that you need to have certain monitor for certain GPU is utter crap.

True, but only in one direction. I wouldn't recommend a low end card with a 4k monitor.

I do agree that you don't need to have a high res monitor to go with a high end video card though. Some people would rather make sure they're not experiencing any frame rate drops.

Your monitor is an exception though. You may be running 1080p, but since you're monitor is capable of 120Hz, you need the high performance card to drive that frame rate.

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Kakarot Sep 28, 2017 02:59 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I decided on 1440 at 144hz... do far I like the dell 27 s2716dg
any thoughts or better recommendations? It seems like a nice price/size/performance.... but I know nothing of tn vs ips etc...

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Kakarot Sep 28, 2017 07:34 PM Reply | Bookmark
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So dd4 2400 is still king? I will be going z370 and coffee lake price.... does that change anything?

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Spork™ Sep 28, 2017 07:40 PM Reply | Bookmark
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You could use 2400. Coffee Lake works best with 2666+

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Kakarot Sep 28, 2017 07:51 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Awesome. Do you recommend any specific kit? Thx
I'm assuming 16gb is still the sweet spot? This will just be a gaming pc

Also, is 4x4 better vs 2x8?

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jakeElwood Sep 28, 2017 09:20 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (KS-SK @ Sep 28 2017, 11:31 AM)

All this high horse BS that you need to have certain monitor for certain GPU is utter crap.


Sure, if you dont mind throwing 600$ worth of your 1080ti in the toilet.

Your 120hz is what i mentioned. At least you arnt gaming a 1080ti on a 60hz TN.

Have you ever seen a really nice display though?

I may be a videophile, but im no snob.

The monitor is what displays to your eyes how good your graphics card is.

If you dont match the GPU to the monitor its a waste. Quality doesnt mean 4k. Its about balance which has subjective components to define. Its not a basic math question like "Do i have enough RAM"

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Kakarot Sep 28, 2017 11:13 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Is a sound card still a thing? Netwprk interface card?

Lol

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nToxik Sep 29, 2017 05:11 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (Kakarot x Sep 28 2017, 11:13 PM)

Kakarot said:
Is a sound card still a thing? Netwprk interface card?


Nope. Motherboards (especially higher end ones) already have fantastic sound built in. Network connectivity is built in too (unless you need wireless for some reason).

Save your money because 1440 at 144hz could be on the more expensive side. Is you decide on a 1080Ti, that is going to cost you ~$900+ and a good 144hz 1140p monitor probably at least $500+ as well. Now you're already in for $1500 and you still don't have CPU, motherboard, RAM, case, CPU cooler, PSU, DVD or even OS ($120).

$2200 can buy you a great PC but GPU and especially a monitor can eat that up quickly.

Also, is that $2200 before or after taxes?

edit: grammar

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jakeElwood Sep 29, 2017 06:16 AM Reply | Bookmark
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I cant remember the name of the MoBo sound chipset that is better than a soundcard but I recently tested my ancient SB Audigy against my z77 UD5H and the soundcard was still better.

As nToxik said though the highend onboard is as good, and the lesser one on most MoBo's is not bad.

About budget, yeah, a 1080ti and good monitor is going to be the whole 2200$.

I was just saying you dont have to worry too much about CPU because they are all within a few fps in gaming all the way back to 2600k.

Balanced system is what i try for.

That new 8series i3K should be cheap and very good for gaming.

Not sure where the trend of having 40 tabs open and gaming at the same time came from but if you can game without 40 tabs open, you will come under budget happy.


edit: spelled your name wrong nToxik

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Kakarot Sep 29, 2017 09:53 AM Reply | Bookmark
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2200$ is what's current available for the tower only! I'm generating cash now for monitor etc. By selling the laptop and my s8+
I'm now waiting for the new proc/mobo to be released... so I'll be over 2200 for sure :(

As little as I pc game, I might as well make it future proof?

As far as tabs and multi tasking... there will not be any really, I am a neat freak... I just want to play pub with my buddies, running discord. When not gaming, I would run light bots for royale or clash of clans... I know all of what I am is doing is mad overkill, but I do not want to be upgrading etc... I want to be set for a few years.

So far i followed Saberons advice

I ordered the fractal open box off here
Fracta R5
Crucial MX300 275gb
Corsair domination platinum 2x8gb
Asus dvd writer (lol)
EVGA supernova 850g3
windows 10 64 home
Gigabyte aorus gtx 1080 ti
I also have the creative soundblaster z pcie in my cart.. but need help decided if this is needed or not
I also have a ED gold 1tb drive for a second drive... but I am not sure I need this as well, thoughts?

Any comments appreciated

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Greg * NCIX.com Sep 29, 2017 10:35 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (Kakarot @ Sep 29 2017, 09:53 AM)

I also have the creative soundblaster z pcie in my cart.. but need help decided if this is needed or not

I would say skip it for now.

If you find the onboard has a lot of interference coming through from the PC, then you may want to revisit buying a sound card, but it's definitely not a common issue these days.

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Kakarot Sep 29, 2017 11:19 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Skipped thx. I think I'll remove the wd also and go 525 ssd

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Greg * NCIX.com Sep 29, 2017 11:28 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (Kakarot @ Sep 29 2017, 11:19 AM)

I think I'll remove the wd also and go 525 ssd

Yeah, probably a good idea. 525GB will take you pretty far, and it's easy enough to add an HDD later if you find you're running out of space.

My main drive is 256GB and it's a bit restrictive for me. I'm not out of space yet, but I haven't loaded very many games on since my last reformat.

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