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Subject: Apollo4g's water cooling parts suggestion list
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Apollo4g Aug 14, 2007 10:54 AM Reply | Bookmark
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NOTE: Most of these parts i recommend is because i have used them myself.I understand there are other parts out there that my be good as well, but most of the parts i have listed here, i can vouch for performance and quality.

NCIX has put together some good well performing kits

NCIX Water Cooling Ultimate 240 CPU Water Cooling Bundle:
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=25233&vpn=WATER-COOLING-KIT-ULTIMATE&manufacture=NCIX

NCIX Water Cooling Essentials 240 CPU Water Cooling
Bundlehttp://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=22508&vpn=WATER-COOLING-ESSENTIALS-250&manufacture=NCIX?

Water Cooling Essentials 120 CPU Water Cooling Bundle
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=24520&vpn=WATER-COOLING-ESSENTIALS-150&manufacture=NCIXNCIX

I would highly recommend any of these kits, but all depends on what you plan to cool.

If you chose not to go with a kit, you can go for a completely custom build hand picked, piece by piece by yourself.....
Here are some good choices of parts for your watercooling loop.(may I suggest the following):

Pumps:
Laing D5 Vario/Swiftech MCP655 Inline 12V DC Pump
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=19862&vpn=MCP655&manufacture=Swiftech
OR
Laing D5 Basic/Swiftech MCP655-B Inline 12V DC Pump
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=23990&vpn=MCP655-B&manufacture=Swiftech
OR
Laing DDC with
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=19723&vpn=DDPDDC&manufacture=Danger%20Den
Petra's Tech DDCT-01s Top
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=24057&vpn=DDCT-01s&manufacture=Petra%27sTech

Radiators:
(These following rads are best used with some high CMF fans because they are thick):
Black Ice GTX Gen Two Xtreme 240 Highest Performance Radiator
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=21460&vpn=RAD-3420&manufacture=Hardware%20Labs
if your on a tight budget, this rad:
Black Ice Xtreme 2 High Performance Radiator
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=19725&vpn=DHWLX2&manufacture=Hardware%20Labs

(These following rads are best used with some lower CMF fans because they are thinner and have a less dense cooling fin structure):
ThermoChill PA120.2 Dual 120mm Radiator
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=21453&vpn=35062&manufacture=Thermochill
(the thermochill is thick, but it seems to perform well with both high and low CMF fans)
if your on a tight budget, these rads:
Swiftech Radiator - MCR220 Quiet Power Series Dual 120 mm
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=20089&vpn=MCR220-QP-K&manufacture=Swiftech
HW Labs Black Ice GT Stealth 240
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=19761&vpn=DHGT2&manufacture=Hardware%20Labs

NOTE: These are the 2x120mm size radiators, they also come in 1x120mm, 2x120mm, 3x120mm and the Hw Labs makes a 4x120mm radiator.

Fans:
High CMF fans will always get you better temps with thick rads.
So if you dont mind noise go with these:
Panaflo 120mm x 38mm FBA12G12M-1J Medium Speed Hydro Wave Bearing 3pin Case Fan (86.5 CFM/35 dBA)
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=20618&vpn=FBA12G12M1BX&manufacture=Rexus%20Corp
Sunon 120mm x 38mm KDE1212PMB3-6A Double Ball Bearing 4pin Case Fan (108 CFM/42 dBA)
If you like your PC silent, go with these:
Yate Loon 120mm D12SL-12 Case Fan - Black (47 CFM, 28 dBA)
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=22644&vpn=D12SL-12&manufacture=Yate%20Loon
(Cheap, perform well and are quite!! got to love Loons!)

CPU blocks:
D-TEK Customs Fuzion V2 CPU Water Block
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=29897&vpn=FZ-CPU&manufacture=D-Tek%20Customs
New overall champion with a 350/355 or D5
Ek Supreme Acetal CPU Water Block
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=27157&vpn=3830046990068&manufacture=EK%20Water%20Blocks
Great block from EK, more restrictive than the D-Tek Fuzion V2, if you have a powerful pump, this is the block to get.
D-TEK FuZion Universal CPU Waterblock
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=22081&vpn=FZ-CP&manufacture=D-Tek%20Customs
The Fuzion seems to be the best performing block out there today (Nov. 7 2007).
You can buy nozzles for it that improve the cooling potential as well as an O ring to "bow" the block.
Swiftech Apogee GT Universal Waterblock
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=22287&vpn=APOGEE-GT&manufacture=Swiftech

Why i dont recommend the Apogee GTX?
After i opened my GTX i found out that it was very poorly machined, and plus had a aluminium top plated with copper.
Mixing Aluminium with copper = galvanization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanization
which is really bad for your whole loop.
So one scratch on that zinc plating will expose the liquid to copper and aluminium at the same time, causing galvanization.
ADDED: Swiftech is now coming out with the Apogee GTX with a copper top and "bowed", so that will be good to get.

What is meant by "bowed":
The anatomy of a 'bow'
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/185834-anatomy-bow.html?highlight=bowed

GPU Block:
For you GPU, there are 2 options, a full coverage block that covers everything including the RAM, or one that just covers the GPU core and cools the other parts with passive cooling:
(personally i prefer full coverage but results show that just the core one gives you better temps)
Full coverage:
EK-FC8800GTX Full Cover Waterblock for nVidia 8800 GTX
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=22946&vpn=12046&manufacture=EK%20Water%20Blocks
EK-FC8800GTS Full Cover Waterblock for nVidia 8800 GTS
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=24309&vpn=12067&manufacture=EK%20Water%20Blocks
OR
Swiftech Stealth Full Cover Waterblock for nVidia 8800 Series
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=24621&vpn=STEALTH&manufacture=Swiftech
OR
Danger Den - 8800GTX
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=21568&vpn=GPU-6001&manufacture=Danger%20Den
Danger Den - 8800GTS
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=23641&vpn=GPU-6200&manufacture=Danger%20Den

OR

Just GPU core coverage blocks:
D-TEK Customs Fuzion GFX V2 GPU Water Block
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=31196&vpn=FZ-GFX2&manufacture=D-Tek%20Customs
Great new block from D-Tek, medium restriction excellent design.

Swiftech MCW60 GPU Waterblock w/ G80 Adapter Plate (Retail Edition)
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=23008&vpn=MCW60-R&manufacture=Swiftech
OR the combo one with the ramsinks included:
Swiftech MCW60 GPU Waterblock w/ MC14 Ramsinks
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=19859&vpn=MCW60&manufacture=Swiftech


Tubing:
1/2" ID (3/4" OD) Tygon R-3603 Laboratory-Grade Tubing
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=19708&vpn=DDTT51&manufacture=Danger%20Den
7/16" ID (5/8" OD) Tygon R-3603 Laboratory-Grade Tubing(NCIX does't have it)
AND
1/2" ID (3/4" OD) Masterkleer General Purpose Clear PVC Tubing(NCIX does't have it)
7/16" ID (5/8" OD) Masterkleer General Purpose Clear PVC Tubing
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=21318&vpn=TUB-7101-C&manufacture=Danger%20Den

With all that bending of tubing in your PC you are bound to form what they call "kinks". Which is when the tubing gives way and collapses to for a very tight bend, these are bad as they restrict the flow and can cause your pump to over work itself.
Thicker OD of the tubing is known to kink less since the walls are thicker.
But if your still having problems here is a good solution:
Swiftech SmartCoils 625 (for 5/8" OD Tubing) - UV Ocean Blue
http://www.ncix.com/search/?q=smartcoils&SUB=Search&mm=1&mp1=&mp2=&m=0&p=1&s=1&a=0
(Comes in other colors and sizes as well)

Some people say the 7/16"ID is easier to work with as its thinner than the 1/2"ID.
Personally i picked the 1/2"ID, just to have the largest.

As tygon is more flexible, but also much more expensive than Masterkleer, i suggest you use Tygon for the tight curves you will need in you system, and the cheaper Masterkleer for the straight parts of your loop.
At tygon at about $3.25 per foot and Masterkleer at $.75 per foot it will save you some costs that way.

A radbox:
Swiftech MCB-120 "Radbox" Radiator/Fan Housing Rev. 2 - Black
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=19860&vpn=MCB-120&manufacture=Swiftech
You will need one of these to mount your radiator at the back of your case.

A "T" Line or reservoir: (OR both)
Now you can use what they call a "T" line or a reservoir in your watercooling loop.
Swiftech MCRES-MICRO Hi-Flo Reservoir
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=20091&vpn=MCRES-MICRO&manufacture=Swiftech
EK-RES250 Multi-Option Reservoir
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=25354&vpn=45110&manufacture=EK%20Water%20Blocks
The EK and Swiftech reservoir are just 2 of the more famous ones, there are many good reservoirs out there, you just have to pick one that suits your liking, they all share the same purpose, which is just holding some coolant to feed your pump, not much complications there.
OR
For a "T" line you will need 2 parts:
1/2" OD T-Fitting (for 1/2" and 7/16" ID Tubing) (cant seem to find on NCIX, know they have it!!)
and
Den Danger Den Delrin FillPort
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=21325&vpn=DDFPA&manufacture=Danger%20
They come in different colors.Blue,black,brass,etc.

You can also use a tubing plug for your "T" line, which basicly just plugs your T line so no liquid gets out, or other elements get in your loop.
DangerDen Tubing/T-Line Plug
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=21319&vpn=FIT-B100&manufacture=Danger%20Den

Other miscellaneous stuff that you will need and make your build easier and more secure include: (Can get at Home Depot and other hardware stores)
Stainless Steel Worm-Drive Hose Claps
PTFE Thread Tape
Danger Den Filling Syringe


Coolant:
For coolant there are many choices you can go with, look up some idea's on the forums.
Pure distilled water with 0% addatives will give you the best temperatures.
For much more detailed info you can go here:
Coolant Ideas:
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/205156-coolant-ideas.html?highlight=coolant
Personally i like this:
UV Reactive Pentosin G11 Coolant Additive (Blue)
Fluid XP
http://www.ncix.com/search/?q=fluid+xp&minprice=Min.+Price&maxprice=Max.+Price
You will also need a biocide to kill some evil algae growth in your system.I use this:
Petra's Tech "PT_Nuke" Concentrated Biocide
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=25454&vpn=PT%5FNUKE&manufacture=Petra%27sTech


Some good links to read and get you started:

Water Cooling - In English
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/141187-water-cooling-english.html

Water Cooling Guide
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/1867-water-cooling-guide.html

Assembling your Custom Watercooling
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/60145-assembling-your-custom-watercooling-setup.html

Choosing The Best Pump for Your WaterCooling System
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41495

Guide To WaterCooling and Leak Testing
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=54331

The Beginners Watercooling FAQ
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=119699

Hope that helps!






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Reap37 Aug 14, 2007 11:58 AM Reply | Bookmark
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lol apollo mind as well just say a ncix ultimate 240!

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This must be the "NCIX Extreme Budget Kit" H20 setup :p
Can't say I agree with your suggestions Apollo4g

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Apollo4g Aug 14, 2007 12:35 PM Reply | Bookmark
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LoL sorry guys its a whole list explaining watercooling for the noobs....got all the url links wrong so ill have to redo the whole thing LoL

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Prickly Pete Aug 14, 2007 12:39 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Here's my list. http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?minorcatid=1165

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Apollo4g Aug 14, 2007 01:00 PM Reply | Bookmark
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haha Pete very funny LoL !

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Apollo4g Sep 18, 2007 11:23 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Hey a sticky!! Cool

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Randomus Sep 18, 2007 11:38 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Quote: (Apollo4g @ Aug 14 2007, 10:54 AM)

Radiators:
(These following rads are best used with some high CMF fans because they are thick):
Black Ice GTX Gen Two Xtreme 240 Highest Peformance Radiator
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=21460&vpn=RAD-3420&manufacture=Hardware%20Labs
if your on a tight budget, this rad:
Black Ice Xtreme 2 High Peformance Radiator
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=19725&vpn=DHWLX2&manufacture=Hardware%20Labs

(These following rads are best used with some lower CMF fans because they are thinner and have a less dense cooling fin structure):
ThermoChill PA120.2 Dual 120mm Radiator
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=21453&vpn=35062&manufacture=Thermochill
(the thermochill is thick, but it seems to perform well with both high and low CMF fans)
if your on a tight budget, these rads:
Swiftech Radiator - MCR220 Quiet Power Series Dual 120 mm
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=20089&vpn=MCR220-QP-K&manufacture=Swiftech
HW Labs Black Ice GT Stealth 240
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=19761&vpn=DHGT2&manufacture=Hardware%20Labs

NOTE: These are the 2x120mm size radiators, they also come in 1x120mm, 2x120mm, 3x120mm and the Hw Labs makes a 4x120mm radiator.


Just FYI.

The Thermochill Rads are thicker than the BIX Rads. Also the difference between them is not so much the thickness, but the fin density.

Higher CFM fans does not always mean better temps, you could have a 80 CFM fan blowing through your Rad, but if its static pressure is next to nothing, it won't cool any better than say a Panaflo or Yate Loon rated at 42-47 CFM.

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Quote: (Randomus @ Sep 18 2007, 11:38 AM)

Just FYI.

The Thermochill Rads are thicker than the BIX Rads. Also the difference between them is not so much the thickness, but the fin density.

Higher CFM fans does not always mean better temps, you could have a 80 CFM fan blowing through your Rad, but if its static pressure is next to nothing, it won't cool any better than say a Panaflo or Yate Loon rated at 42-47 CFM.
(the thermochill is thick, but it seems to perform well with both high and low CMF fans)

Ummm i know, thats why if you read i added:
"(the thermochill is thick, but it seems to perform well with both high and low CMF fans)", Below the Thermochill rad.
And on top it says:
"(These following rads are best used with some lower CMF fans because they are thinner and have a less dense cooling fin structure)"
I mentioned fin structure.

Yup your right on the static pressure but im just speaking in general and in most cases.

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anoxia Oct 05, 2007 12:07 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I would really like to see some real testing done on the newer magicool slim and extreme radiators. I know the extremes (1080 & 480) have the same cores as the alphacool nexXxos cores ( the rebadged cores from a chinese company) which have a very high pressure drop compared to HW, thermochill, and Swift rads. I am surprised that nobody has done this anywhere yet.

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Apollo4g Oct 05, 2007 01:26 PM Reply | Bookmark
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Its because when you go on watercooling forums you hardly hear anyone using magicools. When you can just get a swiftech rad for about the same price as well as an hw labs BIX rads.
People just tend to brouse by them and go for the more well know and tested rads such as the thermochills,swiftech and hw labs rads.
In short, poeple dont really want to waist there time testing magicool vs the other famous brands becuase they already know which one will will.
I would only go with magicool of i was on a very very very tight budget.

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anoxia Oct 05, 2007 10:36 PM Reply | Bookmark
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I really wouldn't go with them at all personally and would rather use the original black ice. Still I would like to see the disturbing numbers. Its like looking at a crash on the highway.


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what do you think about the danger den waterblocks?

btw great thread

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Quote: (Prickly Pete @ Aug 14 2007, 12:39 PM)

Here's my list.

Sweet list pete

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Alex_R Mar 11, 2008 03:00 PM Reply | Bookmark
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This thread is 5 months old, i didn't even know it existed

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Quote: (Num3n @ Mar 11 2008, 02:54 PM)

what do you think about the danger den waterblocks?


The DD blocks i would say have gone down hill since the started mass producing them, there build quality has depreciated significantly since their older "back in the day" blocks.
The only was i would go with DD is if the EK blocks where no where to be seen.
Dont get me wrong the DD blocks are still alright, just not as good as the EK ones, and for the DD prices, EK in most cases are less and better performing.

It what happens most of the time when a company gets really big, they seem to drift off their initial goal

Quote: (Num3n @ Mar 11 2008, 02:54 PM)

btw great thread


Thanks

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meXican! Jul 18, 2008 05:39 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Nice post :)

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Digikid Jul 26, 2008 07:11 AM Reply | Bookmark
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Hey Apollo4g. Time to fix those links and update this thread.

Why are some of the kits No Longer Available Linus?

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Quote: (Spaceball One @ Jul 26 2008, 07:11 AM)

Why are some of the kits No Longer Available Linus?

Cause they were revised.
James

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Sorry all havent had the time to fix everything but ill get down to it soon.

Wow dident know my thread was still being looked at

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I've heard water cooling is to much a pain in the arse getting set up then air cooling would be, I've never personally tried it but it sort of looks confusing and like it's alot of work if anything "i.e" motherboard needed to be replaced it would be like a days of work? I looked at this ^ and thought it was pretty cool just cause it looks so simple to do, all you would really need is a cpu block and some tubing correct?

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A cpu block and some tubing? I think its a liiiiittle more complicated then that.I won't pretend to start to answer that for you though.

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just me and my hand, clicking through the seas of posts. Hey i see this let's post here. Oh it's been two years since the last post. That does not bother me for I am the Thread Digger.

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Haha, no doubt.

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A4g would be proud!

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Nice work, chief!  :fup:
Just a big pts grab! 

Edit: Holy crap, its 3 years old!

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This was stickied for me o.O

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Any particular reason this thread is still stickied? OP hasn't been updated in 3 years, so there's no way the list itself is still valid. Unsticky? Or is there something I'm missing here xD

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